06.11.2024, 10:15   #1

Administrator

US Elections

Discussion About the Possible Return of Trump to the White House
Discussion about the possible return of Trump to the White House: What does it mean for all of us?

The US elections are still ongoing, but Trump appears to be leading in the key states. If this holds, he could indeed move back into the White House. Here are a few topics that could be important for all of us:

USA:
A Trump comeback could mean a renewed focus on familiar issues like strict immigration reforms and deregulation. It might also lead to further deepening of societal divisions.

Germany:
In Europe, and especially in Germany, we might see a return to the "America First" approach. This could affect everything from NATO cooperation to climate policy, where Biden recently worked closely with Germany.

Ukraine:
It’s unclear whether Trump would continue supporting Ukraine as before. A shift in direction could directly impact European security and increase pressure on Europe to take on a larger role.

Global Economy and Climate:
In trade policy, Trump might once again prioritize US interests, which could pose challenges for Europe and Germany. His well-known skepticism toward international climate agreements would likely become a major issue again.

What do you think?
What concrete consequences could a Trump comeback have for us?
06.11.2024, 11:29   #2

Hobbyfotograf

At this point, the only way to look at it is through satire, much like Ian McEwan's *The Cockroach*: The cockroaches have already taken control and are steering the planet their way—toward a massive landfill as their habitat... 😛
06.11.2024, 15:50   #3

Hobbyfotograf

 
Donald Trump was never an easy partner during his presidency, but it’s also well known that he has a long memory.
German politicians and the mainstream media will especially feel the impact—what kind of one-sided portrayal of the candidates did they paint here?
Oh, and just so it’s not forgotten, he never received a Nobel Peace Prize, even though he didn’t militarily invade any other country during his term, unlike one of his predecessors, Barack Obama.
 
06.11.2024, 16:36   #4
I'm looking forward to the day when Donald deports all the labor workers, and suddenly the gardeners, housekeepers, cleaners, and so on are all missing. Then he can clean his resorts all by himself, just like Musk does.
07.11.2024, 12:12   #5

Hobbyfotograf

Political discussions on a photo site!? Not interested!
If it has to happen, please keep it to the images only.
Cheers
07.11.2024, 13:44   #6

Administrator

OFFTOPIC: @Dieter Amberg Hi Dieter, If politics and religion aren’t your thing—no problem—just ignore them. This is simply an extra space for those who want to discuss topics beyond photography, without affecting other discussions. Everyone is free to choose which content they want to read or skip. Just dive into the topics that interest you.

Best regards, Toni
07.11.2024, 13:47   #7

Administrator

@Klaus Berbig If not invading any other country qualifies you for the Nobel Peace Prize, then I want one too 1f31d
07.11.2024, 14:26   #8
@Toni Stark: I don’t think it’s fair of you to suggest that Dieter isn’t interested in politics and religion. He just doesn’t want to discuss those topics in a photography forum. I, too, appreciate not having to constantly sift through “world events” on platforms focused on other subjects. I’m happy to take your suggestion to ignore those topics. Could you please let me know how I can hide them?

Thanks and best regards, Frank
07.11.2024, 15:59   #9

Administrator

OFFTOPIC: @Frank Bräutigam Hi Frank,
Dieter wrote the following:
"Political discussions on a photo site!? Not interested!" To which I replied:
"If politics and religion don’t interest you – no problem –..."
My response was a hypothetical example (if this, then that). I didn’t say he isn’t interested in politics and religion, but IF! So if the topic of this subforum "Politics and Religion" doesn’t interest him, then he has the options I described.
Do we really need a special feature to ignore or block such content? Everyone can manage this themselves by simply ignoring and not opening topics that don’t interest them.

And now, please let’s get back to the subject of this forum thread: "US Elections." If you want to discuss anything other than the US elections, please start a new thread for that.

Excerpt from our forum rules:

Off topic

The term off-topic, or OT for short, comes from English and roughly means something like off the main subject or unrelated to the topic. (Wikipedia) <= please take a moment to read this!
Hijacking forum topics is generally considered rude and disrespectful to the other participants in the discussion. But especially to the thread starter, who created the topic specifically to discuss that one subject.
Since many different people discuss many different topics simultaneously in a forum, discussions are organized by topic. This also allows later readers to join in and benefit from the posts. Too much off-topic content makes it hard to follow, and the thread gradually loses replies until it eventually dies out.
Think of each forum thread as a small discussion group focused ONLY on that one topic. If you hijack the thread by posting off-topic messages, the conversation no longer revolves around the original subject, and the thread fizzles out. That’s why it’s so important that thread titles are clear and not just a single word.
Later readers should be able to benefit from these posts. No one wants to sift through 50 off-topic posts to find 5 relevant ones.
Exception: If you have something to say about the thread’s subject but also want to add an off-topic comment, please mark that part as "OFF-TOPIC." This saves later readers time since they can skip that text because it’s unrelated to the main topic.
08.11.2024, 11:17   #10

Hobbyfotograf

... and once again ... - our dear Toni always plays his cards
so that he ends up with the aces.
Best wishes to you, GL
09.11.2024, 09:52   #11

Administrator

...and once again... - our dear Dieter keeps disrupting other members' forum discussions - simply because they don’t suit his personal preferences.

This behavior leads to only two possible conclusions:

1. You don’t understand how respectful exchanges work in online forums, and/or
2. You are deliberately trying to sabotage discussions you don’t like.

So here’s another attempt to make you aware of the problem with your behavior and/or to help you understand the discussion culture in online forums.

Have you ever wondered why forums are always organized by topic instead of just being one big chaotic chat with no structure? The main purpose of this organization is to allow members to pick the topics that interest them and avoid reading things they don’t care about. It also enables users to participate meaningfully in discussions that match their interests at any time.

If everyone just wrote “about everything everywhere,” meaningful exchanges would no longer be possible. This isn’t just my “preference” — it’s how forums work, a system millions of people on the internet have used and understood for decades.

Organizing topics and avoiding off-topic posts is a fundamental principle of online forums worldwide, proven effective over many years. It’s not about “hogging the spotlight,” but simply about how online forums function. When you disrupt this structure, you’re damaging the forum and harming all other members.

As you can see, forum rules aren’t arbitrary decisions I made. They apply to all online forums everywhere and serve the community. It’s a matter of respect toward all members to keep discussions where they belong. This way, everyone can freely choose what they want to read and what they don’t. If political topics don’t interest you here, you can simply ignore them instead of bothering others and disrupting their discussion space.

By posting off-topic, you distort the original discussion. Instead of continuing the thread about the US elections, the conversation now shifts to your personal dislike of politics in the forum. This causes two problems:

1. You’re subjecting other members to exactly what you’re complaining about. Readers interested in the US elections now have to read something they didn’t want — your dissatisfaction with politics in the forum.

2. You’re deflating the original topic and ruining the discussion for everyone else who wanted to talk about the US elections. The interest in this topic was clear from the initial posts before you derailed the thread.

It seems like expressing your frustration is more important to you than giving others an undisturbed space for their interests. Don’t you really see why this is a problem?

Do you act like this in real life too? Imagine you’re in a restaurant. At the next table, people are having a conversation about a topic that doesn’t interest you. Instead of focusing on your own conversation, you join them and complain that you don’t care about their topic. They politely say, “No problem — you don’t have to listen or join in.” But you stay and keep expressing your disinterest. They politely ask you again not to disrupt their discussion. Still, you remain, continue to complain, and even accuse them of being unfair. Is that respectful behavior? Would you call that good manners?

IN SUMMARY:
If you have issues with certain topics here, it would be respectful to create your own thread with constructive suggestions instead of sabotaging discussions that clearly interest other members. The responsibility is yours to remain constructive and respectful.
09.11.2024, 13:55   #12

Hobbyfotograf

@Toni
I’ve taken note of your comments and don’t wish to spend another word on the matter.
To all users who feel affected by my act of sabotage, I sincerely apologize.
My only point was that political topics don’t interest me on a photo site, unless they’re captured in an image.
With that, I’ve shared my opinion.
Best regards
09.11.2024, 14:11   #13

Forentroll

Sorry to jump in, but I think there’s been a misunderstanding between you two, and I’m only stepping in because it’s tough to see two good people arguing. How about a handshake and a toast with a shot of ketamine to the health of... Elon Musk (just kidding)?
09.11.2024, 15:23   #14
Profilfoto
Manfred Hopp

Donald Trump was elected to this office by the American people through a democratic election. What this means for us had already been painted in very dark colors by our media. Even if this doesn’t sit well with most of the unskilled assistants in Berlin, that’s just how it is. The intellectual elite in our government simply can’t understand that there are people who genuinely want to do something for their country and their citizens. For them, this is probably just another "slap in the face of democracy." As long as the “dumb masses” keep voting for the same clowns, everything is fine. That way, they can comfortably focus on all their supervisory board positions and make the rounds on talk shows.
09.11.2024, 17:35   #15

Hobbyfotograf

@Toni Stark
You probably misread that in a hurry. Trump was the first U.S. president since George Washington under whose administration the United States did not militarily invade any other country.
 
www.swr.de/wissen/1000-antworten/donald-trump-hat-keine-kriege-gefuehrt-stimmt-das-108.html
www.spiegel.de/panorama/krieg-barack-obama-ist-der-us-praesident-mit-den-meisten-kriegstagen-a-00000000-0003-0001-0000-000000567071
www.phoenix.de/sendungen/dokumentationen/onthisday/10122009--friedensnobelpr-a-2356719.html
09.11.2024, 18:20   #16
@Toni Stark
He reminds me of someone who was born on April 20, 1889, in Braunau am Inn. (I’m deliberately not naming names.)
Heraclitus said: War is the father of all things. Donald Trump: MAGA, is arming up, gearing up, and shouting: fight, fight, fight. Heraclitus: War is the father of all things.
Maybe it’s worth looking for some parallels between 1932 and 1945.
Personally, he scares me a lot, and I believe none of us can truly grasp what’s still coming our way.
Please understand this as my personal opinion and not as something to stir up a shitstorm!!!
Best regards, Hans
10.11.2024, 09:23   #17

Hobbyfotograf

@Hans-Joachim Heller This parallel is quite obvious, but you can also see it with some of his opponents or allies, including in countries or peoples that didn’t have their own nation back then, as well as in very large, powerful countries. Even here at home, some federal states are already showing signs of moving in that direction again... The fear is certainly understandable.
Best regards, Ulf

 
10.11.2024, 09:25   #18

Hobbyfotograf

@I play Elon Musk's health? That's a good one. The guy is completely crazy... beyond help!
10.11.2024, 14:03   #19

Forentroll

One reason some people like Trump is because they see him as not being a warmonger. Are you sure about that? I encourage you to look into the news about the coup in Bolivia (    

lithium mines!!)

. Maybe he’s not aggressive toward countries that don’t have something he’s interested in (like Ukraine), but if there’s something valuable at stake, rest assured they’ll go after it. Just like any other human being! EVERYONE! I’ll leave you with Musk’s “tweet” (or whatever it’s called) cdn77.pressenza.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/20140306083847Elon_Musk_-_The_Summit_2013byCorevette-1536x1018.png

 
10.11.2024, 19:06   #20

Hobbyfotografin

Trump is only interested in himself and nothing else. The truth matters to him only when it serves his interests. And, as the Supreme Court has ruled, he wields nearly unlimited power. This is probably not an ideal starting point for Europe and the rest of the world. We’ll have to wait and see. Hopefully, things will turn out better than expected.
11.11.2024, 09:52   #21

Hobbyfotograf

@M B So far, just your daydreams... Hopefully, something like what happened in Valencia will take place in Washington DC around the White House while he's inside. Maybe that will make him use his brain for the first time in his life...
13.11.2024, 14:02   #22

Forentroll

13.11.2024, 19:31   #23

Hobbyfotograf

@Manfred Hopp Left-wing women are planning a sex strike to protest against Trump. You can read about it on Apollo News.
13.11.2024, 20:34   #24

Forentroll

@Klaus Berbig

 

 

   

1f602.pngThis doesn’t strike me as a ‘smart move against Trump.’ Kind of like the husband who castrated himself just to spite his wife :-)  

 

   

 

 
14.11.2024, 16:42   #25

Hobbyfotograf

I don’t quite understand how someone from Germany can criticize the election results in the USA.
A look at Berlin should encourage a bit more restraint.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, and all that...
14.11.2024, 19:00   #26

Hobbyfotograf

@Jochen Petry It's not about judging the results there—after all, decades ago, a criminal was elected to a high state office here as well, even though he committed his greatest crimes while in office. Just like a recently elected president of another major power. Nevertheless, all of this should be addressed and discussed here too. Especially because of a wannabe regional ruler with a messianic complex, who likely feels validated by similarly unscrupulous people in positions of power... And in this context, the "competence" of our representatives in Berlin is a relatively minor, provincial issue.
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