07.12.2024, 11:15   #1

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Forest Rescue

Deer Hunting as a Measure Against Forest Decline
There's an ongoing debate about saving forests from deer browsing—does that mean deer have to die? Climate change and browsing are said to be the causes. According to Ralf Straußberger, a forest expert at the Bavarian Nature Conservation Union (BN), around 12,000 hectares have recently died off on the Bavarian side of the Franconian Forest alone. He believes that increased hunting pressure is a solution to push animals into less vulnerable forest areas. As an outsider with no expertise, I see it quite differently. What are your thoughts?
07.12.2024, 11:43   #2

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In my opinion, this needs to be looked at more carefully:
1. This isn’t about natural forest, but managed forestry—think conifer plantations and the like. In the Bavarian Forest National Park, they let the trees die off naturally, providing plenty of food for beetles. Now, a beautiful, healthy forest has regrown there...
2. Whenever humans intervene actively, nature tends to suffer. Leave issues like deer populations to wolves and lynxes, avoid feeding them in winter, and so on—then things will balance out on their own.
Best regards, Ulf
07.12.2024, 12:57   #3

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It's possible, but unlikely.1f974.png1f914.png However, the forest isn’t actually the natural habitat for red deer and the like. Roe deer are prey animals, and their natural environment is typically meadows and clearings, where they can spot predators from a distance. They prefer living at the forest edge and favor meadows and other open areas for grazing—they aren’t true forest dwellers. Humans have pushed them into the forest, which serves as a refuge for them. While they can survive well there, food is scarce, so they end up eating bark and young shoots from trees. This, in turn, severely disrupts the natural regeneration of the forest. Another issue is that humans have nearly wiped out bears, lynxes, and wolves, which were their natural predators. The only remaining predator is the fox, which occasionally manages to catch a fawn. However, foxes are hunted year-round, except when the vixen has young.
07.12.2024, 13:11   #4

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The fact is that roe deer and red deer have been nurtured for hunting over decades, leading to overpopulation—also due to the absence of natural predators.
07.12.2024, 15:24   #5

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It’s likely still being done today, since conservative trophy hunters practice it on their leases, though I can’t prove that.
Animal rights activists criticize hunters for contributing to high wildlife populations by feeding deer and elk during the winter months. This, they say, disrupts natural selection in the forest, according to James Brückner, head of species protection at the German Animal Welfare Federation.
I believe the real problem and its solution are probably something else entirely. 1f974.png
12.12.2024, 14:19   #6

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To put it mildly, too many people in the geographically small country of Germany are taking away the natural habitats of wildlife. According to the 2024 census, the total population is 82.7 million.
09.05.2025, 18:03   #7

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It’s a vicious circle.
Whether we're talking about deer, wild boars, or any other animals, someone always labels them as pests!
Since industrialization, we've lost 83% of the biomass of wild animals, we've driven species to extinction, and the ones left are called pests.
Take deer, for example. They’re not strictly forest dwellers, but due to intense hunting by hobby hunters (over 400,000 in Germany) and intensive agriculture, they’ve been pushed into forests (plantations), and then suddenly they’re pests.
Humans have lost their connection to nature.
As for the missing predators, they’re making a comeback, but they’re not welcome because that threatens the trophies of those 400,000+ hobby hunters. Only recently did the EU Parliament push the Bern Convention to downgrade the wolf’s status from strictly protected to just protected, and Germany also amended its FFH directives.
Now hunters who were already illegally hunting wolves feel justified to do so openly.
What I’m trying to say is that humans treat nature as if there’s a Planet B—but there isn’t one. Whether it’s deer, wild boars, foxes, or wolves, they all belong in the ecosystem, which is seriously out of balance because humans feel the need to interfere everywhere—in THEIR forests, THEIR fields, or wherever else.
 
In my opinion, this has gone way too far. When I watch footage from wildlife cameras showing a deer buck trying to drink at a watering hole with a shattered lower jaw, it brings tears to my eyes—and that’s just one example among many.
Yes, I’m an animal rights advocate, but no, I’m not militant, and no, I’m not vegan...
I’m simply disgusted by how we treat other living beings and this planet.
09.05.2025, 21:48   #8

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...just the term "pest" alone... I only know one harmful species on this planet—it walks on two legs, has no feathers of its own, and usually very little fur 😛
09.05.2025, 22:40   #9

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Biodiversity, respect for nature, and living WITH nature rather than against it would be a practical and effective approach. But it requires the will to do so—and to start as soon as possible. Everything is interconnected and only thrives in balance, which we humans have unfortunately disrupted to our detriment—and continue to do so more or less relentlessly. You all know the reasons. It seems to have been forgotten that we humans are part of nature, not above it.

Please forgive me for the somewhat lengthy introduction, but I wanted to address the root causes, not just the symptoms, whose treatment often just leads to more problems, and so on...
09.05.2025, 22:49   #10

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"We humans are a part of nature and not above it" - Yes, that's true! Unfortunately, some people refuse to accept this.....
10.05.2025, 08:59   #11

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I completely agree with you!
Thank you! It’s great to know there are others who think the same way! 💚
 
Since I’ve been reflecting a lot on this topic, I created this website: WilderHerzen. It’s a place for me to organize my thoughts and share them with others. The site focuses exactly on these issues. It’s still quite new, and I hope it’s okay to share the link here—even though it’s a bit of self-promotion, the site is completely non-commercial!
If this isn’t allowed, please feel free to delete it.
Best wishes, Katja
10.05.2025, 17:13   #12

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I'm not looking to start an argument, federalism aside, but in Germany, the enforcement of nature conservation laws is the responsibility of the individual federal states. The state hunting laws take precedence over the federal hunting law.
Violating the closed season for wildlife can result in fines of up to €5,000 nationwide. With around 384,500 hunters in Germany (www.jagdverband.de/zahlen-fakten/zahlen-zu-jagd-und-jaegern), the chances of catching an offender in the act are likely very slim, if at all. This, of course, refers only to the closed season—but what about outside of it? There is no closed season for wild boar piglets, young rabbits, young badgers, young foxes, and several other animals.
Monitoring is hardly feasible even then. Inspections are supposed to be carried out by the police and forestry authorities, as well as by the hunting rights holders themselves, provided they hold a hunting license, who are authorized to check other hunters.

@ Katja, thanks for your page, 1f44d.png I’ve bookmarked it and will definitely take a look.
Best regards, Klaus
10.05.2025, 18:18   #13

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@Klaus Berbig
The controls are intentional—what happens in the forest stays in the forest!
That’s how the hunting community wants it, and that includes a lot of our politicians! And if you go to the police, they usually don’t know much about hunting laws, let alone when you bring up wildlife protection crimes. A few federal states have special units for this, but that’s just a drop in the bucket.
When it comes to hunters, there’s practically no oversight. There are a few NGOs that specifically focus on these issues—like IG Wild beim Wild from Switzerland—they monitor hunting activities and report violations, even in southern Germany.
The funny thing about all this is what just under 400,000 people (that’s 0.5% of 83.2 million inhabitants) can cause, while the rest just watch. Well, many don’t see it at all, and what you don’t know...
 
Thanks for liking my page! 👍🏼
10.05.2025, 20:54   #14

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@Katja Yes, you’re right about what you wrote, although it’s more sad than funny, but unfortunately, it’s the reality. The magic word is manipulation. Edward Bernays’ book "Propaganda," public relations, and psychoanalysis of the basic methods for shaping public opinion, was first published in 1928 in the USA and quickly became a kind of textbook (that’s how I see it), spreading rapidly across America and then Europe. The political economy of mass media hasn’t lost any of its impact to this day.
Best, Klaus    
11.05.2025, 10:04   #15

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Addendum: The problem isn’t the hunters, it’s the politics!
24.05.2025, 15:42   #16

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@Klaus
Of course, we are being manipulated—by politics, by industry, by advertising, and ultimately by ourselves.
Sure, hunting wouldn’t be such a problem if politicians chose to protect a healthy environment, but they don’t. In fact, with the new government, we’re even taking steps backward. There’s the Bern Convention, the Habitats Directive, Natura 2000, the 2030 Biodiversity Strategy, and more—but what good are these if no one actually follows them?
What’s the point if these agreements are simply changed on a whim whenever they become inconvenient? It’s not the paper they’re written on that matters.
 
And everyone thinks, “What difference can I make?” Like I said earlier, Germany has over 83 million people, and if just 10% of us... what could a handful of politicians in the Bundestag really do?
I’m not calling for a revolution—well, maybe in a way, but a peaceful one, of course. We have the power, but we don’t use it as long as it’s still comfortable for us...
24.05.2025, 23:20   #17

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@Katja I mostly agree with you, but a non-violent revolution in Germany is unlikely—partly because there are already plans in place for such a serious scenario, and partly because EU law takes precedence over German law. Regarding citizens’ comfort, I agree with you again, but that could change very quickly (for example, a power blackout), which would be a rude awakening from this comfort. Whether we, the people, the voters, truly have the power to change politics in this country—I seriously doubt it. But that wasn’t really the main point. By the way, I haven’t seen any deer or red deer in my area for months now. Although I’m usually out at less-than-ideal times, thankfully the birdlife is still around.
Best, Klaus      
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