Andreas F 09.02.2022, 18:55 #1

Of Light and Shadow

A Masterclass in Photography
Hello everyone,

At the request of Mr. Licht, I’m starting a new thread here. Apparently, he feels the need for a bit of discussion. Since I’m a communicative person, I’m happy to oblige. This is possible under the photos as well, but it tends to get a bit cluttered.
To start off, here’s the previous conversation.
If you want to see the photo in question, you can find it here: www.photoclub.io/fotos/foto?p=36293&userid=3479

Heinz Licht 5 hours ago


I understand that people develop affinities for certain things. If someone develops an affinity for trains, users accept that they photograph the looks and occasionally details of them. If the photos are well done, that’s fine. But I can’t understand your affinity for your old self-developed images. Yet I always have to look at them here and wonder why you post them. The reactions are very lukewarm. I think you should reflect on that. They’re not an incentive to become a premium member. That’s why I’m no longer a premium member myself.

Andreas Friedrichs 3 hours ago

Oh, Mr. Licht,

Quote from Heinz Licht (Handyknipser) on 11/02/2021: “I said goodbye to this forum and canceled my account. After the cancellation period ends, I will leave completely.”
If you’re now looking for a reason not to be a premium member, feel free to blame my photos. I can live with that. Even though I didn’t even know about Photoclub at that time. You’ve already shown you can look ahead.
You know, Mr. Licht, the world keeps turning. And by the way, it’s not revolving around you. It’s perfectly fine if you don’t understand something or don’t want to engage with it. But I don’t get what bothers you about the image sensor. Apparently, it’s not about the image itself but the technique behind it. It seems you have a troubled relationship with photography on film, especially black and white film. And now someone actually dares to publish such shots. Even though you, Mr. Licht, can’t stand it, don’t like it, or whatever.
You obviously aren’t open to constructive feedback. So my impression is that you just want to provoke a bit.
But maybe we should ask Toni if there could be a “Heinz Licht button”—a button that lets Mr. Licht decide what gets shown in the club.
By the way, the reactions I get are perfectly fine, and yours aren’t always better. But thinking about that... well, never mind.
Go ahead and indulge your affinity for Bayer sensors.

Heinz Licht 11 minutes ago


Oh dear, someone’s a bit pissed off. I have nothing against old black and white photos. If they’re good, technically sound in black and white, and well scanned, I can appreciate them. I can’t see those qualities in your black and white photos. Criticism of your photographic skills unfortunately doesn’t lead to self-awareness. Given the many comments on your black and white photos, you should have gained some insight by now. I look forward to more good conversations with you. Maybe you could help steer the discussion toward a more objective tone and talk about good black and white photos. The reactions in this forum are already pretty sparse, but that’s no reason to leave.
 

Andreas Friedrichs 3 minutes ago

Oh, Mr. Licht,
Since you don’t offer anything constructive, how am I supposed to improve? I might be able to do boring landscapes that aren’t in water, but there’s already a master of that, and black and white film is too expensive for me anyway.
I think I’ll start a thread in the forum so you can teach me something.

Andreas Friedrichs 2 minutes ago


By the way, that’s a lot of words from you, which is unusual. But not a single word about the photo shown. Remarkable. Or as someone once wrote here: “A lot of words about nothing.”
Andreas F 09.02.2022, 19:34 #2

Heinz Licht 25 minutes ago


Andreas Friedrichs, there are photos that speak for themselves and photos that leave you speechless. I just can’t put my shrug into words.

Andreas Friedrichs 17 minutes ago


Mr. Licht, why are you so worked up over my shots? If you have nothing to say or don’t want to say anything, then what’s the point? I think this is purely about provocation on your part. You don’t need to visualize a shrug—I don’t either. So what exactly do you want?
I can’t expect constructive criticism from you; I’ve never seen it on any of my photos, and I haven’t noticed it from you anywhere else either. You only want to see photos that fit your way of seeing things. Everything else you apparently can’t or won’t engage with. And when that’s questioned, you’re the one who reacts angrily, as was noted with another photo.
I believe this is more about you than about any photos—whether analog, digital, perfectly scanned or not, or whatever else.
That’s all I have to say here.
Feel free to continue the discussion.
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Andreas F 30.04.2022, 21:14 #3
Terminology! 

Macro can refer to:
  Macro Recordings, a music label Macro Soccer, a Mexican soccer academy People:
  Lucius Attius Macro, Roman consul in 134 Quintus Naevius Sutorius Macro, Roman Praetorian Prefect

But most of the time, it actually means macro. Either as a shorthand for macrophotography or for a macro lens. 

Now I just need to wrap this up. 

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Andreas F 24.05.2022, 08:19 #4

Heinz Licht

These photos are just unbearable. No detail in the whites, and the blur is quite noticeable too. You simply have poor black-and-white images.
Andreas F 18.06.2022, 11:39 #5
Heinz Licht 2 hours ago No one is useless; they can always serve as a bad example.

Andreas F 14 minutes ago I'm impressed, Mr. Licht. I didn't expect that much self-reflection from you.       
Andreas F 15.08.2022, 21:01 #6
It's a shame, actually—there was a comment or something earlier this morning. Unfortunately, it's no longer visible because the associated image was deleted very quickly, despite some engagement.  

Maybe some questions will still be answered, or this comment will be added to.  Even though I understand that communication isn’t really a priority here in the club. 

By the way, the thread is upside down. 

  •  Andreas F.
  • Deleting your images isn’t new. But it does surprise me when something posted in the morning disappears by evening.
    What’s interesting is that you post images you’re not convinced about. Otherwise, you would have classified them already.
    It’s quite something, considering your choice of words for some image posts.
    Anything less than gallery quality seems unthinkable for you.
    By the way, sadly, I can no longer comment on your rhino image. Neither can anyone else, apparently.


     

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      Heinz Licht 11 hours ago Andreas F: The title only refers to the image.

    If an image gets no reaction—positive or negative—I classify it as uninteresting for myself. Then I delete it. I do the same if no one looks at it within 3-4 days, meaning it’s lost in the crowd by then.


     

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      Andreas F 12 hours ago “Diskusion?” (sic) is the title you gave the image.
    Earlier today, there was a rhino you posted that’s no longer visible. Instead, there are two grebes with the caption “Diskusion” (sic).
    So, I’m wondering if you intended to start a discussion with this. Why was the rhino replaced?


     

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      Heinz Licht 12 hours ago Andreas F: What discussion??

     

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      Andreas F 13 hours ago Wasn’t there a rhino visible earlier today? Is that supposed to spark a discussion?



Andreas F 28.10.2022, 20:29 #7
Andreas F 9 hours ago The focal length would be very interesting to know; the mountains on the left in the background are not reflections. To what extent was the background edited or brightened? To me, it looks a bit too warm. Also, I get the impression that the water surface tilts slightly to the left.

 

 

Heinz Licht about an hour ago I always appreciate when an expert wants to know something, especially about seemingly minor details like focal length. But I’m happy to share: focal length is 35mm. The background wasn’t edited. The left side tilts left, and the right side tilts right. Since my shooting position was very low, the background couldn’t reflect. Regards, Heinz 1f602.png?v=2.1.4



 

  Andreas F about an hour ago Your shooting position is less relevant to me; the location of the shot itself is more interesting.
But it’s clear that having a conversation with Mr. Licht is simply not possible, as his yellow faces clearly show.
And no, the water only tilts to the left.




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  Heinz Licht about an hour ago You can tell the shooting position at 35mm from the image—it’s right at the water’s edge. Try taking landscape photos with a lake yourself, then you’ll see from experience if something tilts. When I get questions like this, I often feel people are just desperately looking for something to criticize. I’m happy to discuss if wanted, but not over comments like these—even from "experts." So please ask something meaningful about the subject.



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  Andreas F about an hour ago You know, Mr. Licht, I never intended to criticize anything negatively. So I wasn’t looking for anything to criticize. But it’s obvious that you can’t handle criticism, aren’t capable of having a normal conversation, and clearly take issue with the term “expert.” That might have to do with your perspective.
The fact that you think you get to decide what’s reasonable for someone else to ask says a lot about you and your viewpoints.


 

 

 
Andreas Bibas 30.10.2022, 19:26 #8
Your comments are always really interesting. You don’t have to understand everything you say, but it’s definitely entertaining.
Please keep it up.
Andreas F 31.10.2022, 12:57 #9
I haven’t learned much from it yet, so there’s definitely more to come. 

I also miss Josef—no matter which of his accounts—there are still some important questions left unanswered. He also had the most fascinating photos. 

Since I know you’re reading this,  “I miss you!”

There, I said it. 

Otherwise, I’ll have to find someone else for sharp discussions about the darkroom. 
Andreas F 06.11.2022, 19:44 #10
When primates turn into predators. It has to be evolution at work. Absolutely. Even here in the club, and all in just one day, within a few hours.

Fascinating!